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I think him, Midas Touch and At First Sight would've been great CC types.

Lloyd's got plenty for the MC; Seville, Midas Touch, Green Moon, Tanby, Excluded, Efficient, Mourayan.
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Originally posted by Scarface Scarface wrote:

Brigantin has to be the best lay in the MC betting atm, he's around $30 on BF, doesn't have the weight to guarantee himself a spot in the top 24.

Even guaranteed a spot he should be $30+
Likely to get 53kg?
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Yeah shouldnt be much difference between caulfield and melbourne cup weights
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I reckon he might get a half kilo extra - I'm going to go back through the last few years of weights to see where there have been discrepancies.
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Year

Horse

Position

Lead Up

2011

Dunaden

1st

Geelong Cup

Red Cadeaux

2nd

No Lead Up

2010

Americain

1st

Geelong Cup

2009

Crime Scene

2nd

Geelong Cup

Mourilyan

3rd

No lead up

2008

Bauer

2nd

Geelong Cup

2007

Purple Moon

2nd

Caulfield Cup

2006

Delta Blues

1st

Caulfield Cup

Pop Rock

2nd

Caulfield Cup

2004

Vinnie Roe

2nd

No lead Up

2003

Jardine's Lookout

3rd

No lead up

2002

Media Puzzle

1st

Geelong Cup

Beekeeper

3rd

Caulfield Cup

2001

Give the Slip

2nd

No lead up

Persian Punch

3rd

No lead up

1999

Central Park

2nd

No lead up

1998

Persian Punch

3rd

No lead up

1995

Vintage Crop

3rd

No lead Up

1993

Vintage Crop

1st

No lead up

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Most, if not all of, the euro contingent have raced at a staying trip already...most multiple times...why do aussie trainers always insist on leaving it till so late (cup day) to run their horse's over a proper staying trip...?

The typical 1200m > 1400m > 1600m > 2000m > 2400m > then into a Cup prep is so old and useless, it's no wonder oz stayers are hopeless these cups these days...

Name one ozzie stayer cups bound that has had a race over 2000m in the last 6 weeks ?
The euro's will often start their preps at 2000m not this tired old 1200m > 2400m routine over 5 starts...
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Quez is back!

Paz will be relieved, he was about to send in your avatar to the milk company
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Originally posted by Scarface Scarface wrote:

Quez is back!

Paz will be relieved, he was about to send in your avatar to the milk company


Saintly will be most relieved, he is a huge regular viewer/backer of my tips...
...they say the ultimate flattery is to be copied by others..well I've spotted him on multiple other forums posting my selections as his...

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Originally posted by Quezacotl Quezacotl wrote:

Originally posted by Scarface Scarface wrote:

Quez is back!

Paz will be relieved, he was about to send in your avatar to the milk company


Saintly will be most relieved, he is a huge regular viewer/backer of my tips...
...they say the ultimate flattery is to be copied by others..well I've spotted him on multiple other forums posting my selections as his...

Quez - Saintly is being paid by Betfair to post your tips!
Tell the truth - there is less to remember
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Mickael Barzalona to ride Brigantin in both the Cups!
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Did a vlookup of MC runners an their CC weights, put in some guestimates for Godolphin runners, MJ & JJ

No. Horse Weight
1 58
2 58
3 57
4 57?
5 57?
6 56?
7 55.5
8 55.5
9 55.5
10 55
11 55
12 55
13 54.5
14 54.5
15 54?
16 54?
17 54?
18 54
19 54
20 54
21 54
22 53.5
23 53.5
24 53.5
25 53.5
26 53.5
27 53.5
28 53.5
29 53
30 53
31 53
32 53
33 53
34 53
35 53
36 53
37 53
38 53
39 52.5
40 52.5
41 52.5
42 52.5
43 52.5
44 52.5
45 52?
46 52
47 52
48 52
49 52
50 52
51 51.5
52 51.5
53 51.5
54 51.5
55 51.5
56 51.5
57 51.5
58 51
59 51
60 51
61 50.5
62 50.5
63 50
64 50
65 50
66 50
67 50
68 50
69 50
70 50
71 50
72 50
73 50
74 50
75 50
76 50
77 50
78 50
79 50
80 50
81 50
82 50
83 50
84 50
85 50
86 50
87 50
88 50
89 50
90 50
91 50
92 50
93 50
94 50
95 50
96 50
97 50
98 50
99 50
100 50
101 50
102 50
103 50
104 50
105 50
106 50
107 50
108 50
109 50
110 50
111 50
112 50
113 50
114 50
115 50
116 50
117 50
118 50
119 50
120 50
121 50
122 50
123 50
124 50
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127 50
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Originally posted by ready2run ready2run wrote:


Originally posted by Quezacotl Quezacotl wrote:

Originally posted by Scarface Scarface wrote:

Quez is back!

Paz will be relieved, he was about to send in your avatar to the milk company


Saintly will be most relieved, he is a huge regular viewer/backer of my tips...
...they say the ultimate flattery is to be copied by others..well I've spotted him on multiple other forums posting my selections as his...

Quez - Saintly is being paid by Betfair to post your tips!


What a liar.

I don't copy anyones tips, as picking your own winners is what having a punt is all obout IMO. I most certainly wouldn't copy an inferior tipster/guesser like you.

Apologise for that lie right now, you spineless individual.
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If anyone (Andy?) can guestimate the weights for runners that don't have a CC weight I can punch those in and update
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Lost in the Moment nommed for Irish St Leger, a good run (without winning) would likely secure him another crack at the MC
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Originally posted by Scarface Scarface wrote:

Lost in the Moment nommed for Irish St Leger, a good run (without winning) would likely secure him another crack at the MC

Also entered along with Colour Vision and Cavalryman in the Doncaster Cup
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Originally posted by VPI VPI wrote:

Originally posted by Quezacotl Quezacotl wrote:

 Ethiopia isn't running..so Zabeelionaire is the one.
Might have to change your tips... Ethiopia is in.
Carey confirms MC option is still alive.
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So Quez, no chance of an apology for your outright lie about me on the forum?

Didn't think so, it shows what sort of man you are, a low life liar and BS artist.
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Originally posted by VPI VPI wrote:


Originally posted by VPI VPI wrote:


Originally posted by Quezacotl Quezacotl wrote:

 Ethiopia isn't running..so Zabeelionaire is the one.

Might have to change your tips... Ethiopia is in.

Carey confirms MC option is still alive.


What a fckin cry baby you are ...after sending me several pm's and me explaining to you it was a pisstake, you come on here asking fir appology for something we already sorted by private message..?



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You may have quoted the wrong conversation there Quez... I demand an apology!Tongue
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Originally posted by saintly96 saintly96 wrote:

So Quez, no chance of an apology for your outright lie about me on the forum?

Didn't think so, it shows what sort of man you are, a low life liar and BS artist.


What a fckin cry baby you are ...after sending me several pm's and me explaining to you it was a pisstake, you come on here asking fir appology for something we already sorted by private message..?



* sorry replied to the wrong post earlier...Saintly you are a gelati stirrer here with this nothin surer..everyone knows I was takin the piss...yet still you persist with your chilish vendetta..get over it man.
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Originally posted by VPI VPI wrote:

You may have quoted the wrong conversation there Quez... I demand an apology!Tongue


LOL ..sorry
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Quez, I will not accept you telling lies about me on the forum, that may be the way you like to live your life (telling lies and making stuff up), but that is not how I like things done.

You lied about me on a public forum, you should apologise on a public forum.

I suppose I should be flattered that you chose me to lie about, as I realise that you would love to be considered as good a judge as me when it come to horseracing.

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Originally posted by Quezacotl Quezacotl wrote:

Originally posted by Scarface Scarface wrote:

Quez is back!

Paz will be relieved, he was about to send in your avatar to the milk company


Saintly will be most relieved, he is a huge regular viewer/backer of my tips...
...they say the ultimate flattery is to be copied by others..well I've spotted him on multiple other forums posting my selections as his...

 
What other forums?
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Originally posted by saintly96 saintly96 wrote:

Quez, I will not accept you telling lies about me on the forum, that may be the way you like to live your life (telling lies and making stuff up), but that is not how I like things done.

You lied about me on a public forum, you should apologise on a public forum.

I suppose I should be flattered that you chose me to lie about, as I realise that you would love to be considered as good a judge as me when it come to horseracing.



ROFL....you have lied about me hundreds of times on here and elsewhere...do you not see the irony ffs...fair dinkum go away and stop hijacking the Melbourne Cup thread..
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Surely this argument can be sorted out without filling up this thread with posts
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There are none, as for starters I would never copy an inferior tipsters tips. Finding winners is why I punt, why would I take the fun out of it?

Anything I say on this forum, or any other for that matter, regarding what I think will win, is my opinion, and not copied from anyone else.

Quez isn't man enough to admit he lied, or apologise.

Anyway, back to discussing the MC, this thread has gone off in a direction not befitting the great race.
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Just noticed this:  http://www.racingvictoria.net.au/p_International_Race_Replays.aspx

A collection of international races have been compiled with the approval of the host jurisdiction and the assistance of Sky Racing to showcase possible and confirmed contenders for the 2012 Spring Racing Carnival in Victoria. These replays can only be viewed within Australia.

 

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That is way cool, thanks for that scarface.....

The only one you should watch is the American St Ledge though..
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Yup, just lay any horse coming out of that race and you'll be ahead Wink
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